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Arya Yeshe

What if WTM was a service provider?

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What if WTM make deals with groups from low and null sec?

The deal would be in this direction:
-they will borrow the hulls and we will return them in the end of the focus
-they will provide security, since it's their system and their hulls, being their hulls is important so we can bind this to security
-they can fill the fleet with their pilots (fleet up to 60 people in low/null) and farm the ISK with us

The benefits:
-we won't have to worry about the hauling
-we can go in empty pods without worrying about being podded
-we will farm about 42,86% more ISK plus 42,86% more LP
-we will make new friends and get more content

Incursion runners are kind of space nomads and we could form a space caravan that brings this kind of service and content to other regions.

From EVE University:
Headquarter sites
31,500,000 ISK and 7,000 CONCORD LP in highsec for 20 up to 40 pilots (maximum payout).
45,000,000 ISK and 10,000 CONCORD LP for low- and nullsec for 20 up to 60 pilots (maximum payout).

Vanguard sites
10,395,000 ISK and 1,400 CONCORD LP in highsec for 5 up to 10 people (maximum payout).
15,000,000 ISK and 2,000 CONCORD LP in low- and nullsec for 5 up to 15 people (maximum payout).

Mothership sites
63,000,000 ISK and 14,000 CONCORD LP in highsec for 40 up to 80 pilots (maximum payout).
90,000,000 ISK and 20,000 CONCORD LP for low- and nullsec for 40 up to 120 pilots (maximum payout).

So running 8 sites per hour in low/null sec, the fleet generates 21.6 bil ISK per hour, if the other group brings 30 pilots to the fleet they will bank 10.8 bil per hour so they can fully pay the investment and profit in the first focus and in the end the ships will still be theirs and we will return in the future and print more ISK together.

If we can run 6 sites per hour in their systems then it still is 16.2 bil per hour for 60 pilots, while in high sec we can generate 10,08 bil ISK per hour running 8 sites with 40 pilots. 
The ISK pool in a low/null sec iincursion is exactly 100% bigger due to having more pilots plus the 41,86% more payout.
If we run 6 sites in null/sec we will get 270 mil ISK per hour plus 60k LP against 8 sites in high sec that generates 252 mil ISK per hour plus 56k LP.

We have to recognize that WTM members hold a great deal know-how that is very valuable soft power and we can make ISK of that.

Is this a win win? At least in theory it is, tell me what you think about this, trash my arguments with no shame! :D

Edited by Arya Yeshe

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Null groups run incursions spawn in their space , unless it spawn in a strategic system where they headshot it

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it's a lot of work and effort for something that would never work. We have a hard enough time getting 40 people highsec much less the trouble of getting people out to low or null.

You also overestimate the value that we'd bring to whatever nullsec group that 'hires' us. Incursions are not terribly difficult content. The fee they'd charge us to allow us to fly in their space and use their ships to run sites would likely cancel out any extra isk generated.

Also, running 8 sites an hour is only possible with 40 people with optimal fits. No way we'd achieve that with borrowed ships

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the issue isn't so much on the ability to run them.

the issue is LS and NS are PVP environments where we can be dropped easily. 

Even if we run t2 fits which are actually viable. 60 pax would make dream work indeed. but remember each marauder even t2 fit is 1.2-1.5b

to a pvper. thats FREE FOOD. blops cyno is still available in cyno jammed system. you can set up defensive bubbles outside the gate but without a POS to dock up/tether, you're exposed.

You can't rely on locals for coverage either unless you pay taxes.

While we can defo share how to run the sites more efficiently and recruit local pilots, do remember a lot of these null blocks arent exactly friendly with one another and generally fly HS incursions with a neutral toon.

In addition, some of these null blocks aren't exactly friendly with HS incursions and do try to gank us. 

So a combo wombo of all of the above is kinda why we stay in highsec focusing on what we do best.


If there's null blocks thats keen to do something, i'm sure we can probably discuss a bit.HMU if u have anything. in game pilot name Some Pilot

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I think had you tried this 9-10 years when there was less people with the knowledge on how to run them then you could probably have sold this. I just think today with how many guides there is and how many people have run them it’s basically to late to try to sell this, also most block groups have a sig or some group to run incursion.

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