Elite Basi Fits

[Mardiorer 1]

I have been messing with Basi fits that are a little more bling then the standard fit.  Here are the two that I have come up with, one uses Rapture implants the other Saviour.  If I wanted to join fleet with a no expensive spared/elite fit, which would be preferred.  I got a few notes after each fit on the main pros/cons.

[Basilisk, Rapture]

Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay

Pithum C-Type Multispectrum Shield Hardener
Gistum B-Type 10MN Afterburner
Pith X-Type EM Shield Hardener
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Thukker Large Cap Battery

Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
'Chivalry' Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter
'Chivalry' Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

Imperial Navy Acolyte x5

High-grade Rapture Alpha
High-grade Rapture Beta
High-grade Rapture Gamma
High-grade Rapture Delta
High-grade Rapture Epsilon
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Capacitor Systems Operation EO-606
Zainou 'Gnome' Shield Management SM-706

 

• Better range on cap and shield
• More cap transfer
• Better tank
• Cap stable

 

[Basilisk, Savior]

Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay

Pithum C-Type Multispectrum Shield Hardener
Corelum B-Type 10MN Afterburner
Pith X-Type EM Shield Hardener
Large 'Sheriff' Shield Extender
Thukker Large Cap Battery

Large Murky Compact Remote Shield Booster
Large Murky Compact Remote Shield Booster
Large Asymmetric Enduring Remote Shield Booster
Large Asymmetric Enduring Remote Shield Booster
Large Inductive Compact Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Large Inductive Compact Remote Capacitor Transmitter

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Imperial Navy Acolyte x5

High-grade Savior Alpha
High-grade Savior Beta
High-grade Savior Gamma
High-grade Savior Delta
High-grade Savior Epsilon
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Capacitor Systems Operation EO-606
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Capacitor Emission Systems ES-706
Zainou 'Gnome' Shield Emission Systems SE-806

 

• More shield transfer
• Less tank then the standard fit
• 20min cap stable with everything running

[darkstriker01 31]

As much as I'd love to say yes. 

We can't check implants :_(

[Mardiorer 1]

Is that a no on any fit the requires implants?

[Imelda Virpio 179]

That is a no. Since we do not check implants, we cannot allow line pilots to fly any fit that would require implants.

[Some Pilot 55]

I wouldn't deny it's a great set up. But our limitations of checking implants is an issue as well. If the pilot is not cap stable and either can't contribute to the fleet as a reliable logi, we're risking our fleet safety in that sense. 

 

[Rainz 66]

19 minutes ago, Some Pilot said:

I wouldn't deny it's a great set up. But our limitations of checking implants is an issue as well. If the pilot is not cap stable and either can't contribute to the fleet as a reliable logi, we're risking our fleet safety in that sense. 

 

This

[Mardiorer 1]

Ok Savior fit it is then! As fit does not technically require implants, just it is not awesome without them. (You did not see that coming did you?).

Just out of curiosity though, if you don't mine me asking, why such the worry over implants?  I mean when someone x-up as Logi they have to give their skill, but you have no way of checking it. If it not what they say it is, it would be just as big (if not bigger) issue then if the implants are not there.  Only way to know is spot them sand bagging. 

How does abyssal fit with this, as again they would be a bit of an unknown if someone signed up with them.

Also Imelda said no to line pilots flying such fits. I guess that means Some Pilot (pun intended) could?  What badge would be needed Trusted Logi? T3? R or L? Again just curious.

 

[Malcolm Galora 374]

It's allowable with implants ofc but not entirely feasible to build a doctrine around if we aren't checking. For example if you are not reading all the notes and rules about the fit, ie it requiring so and so implant to work, and you just buy all at jita and hop into fleet, then you are a problem logi waiting to happen. I've had this happen before with a loki pilot who didn't know about the badges.

I wouldn't recommend raptures truthfully, it's a bit of a one trick pony, similar with genos. Saviors on the other hand are pretty neato. 1-5 and a warp speed implant for 6 is pretty cool for a general logi clone. A full savior set is really good for lokis especially.

[Charr Coal 41]

Mardiorer,

your Savior fit meet almost all req., seriously just double check LSE against R&R

note also, that Savior pilot is more likely to pull aggro, and it does happen even with (sleepy/bad) marauders in fleet, thus double reduced tank (it is already reduced on cap stables compared to chain basi) + Savior is kinda.. idea with disadvantages.

So, if you somehow could just put faction LSE, no less problem

And, for your badges question. L+ badge lets you fly any logi fit, if FC allows it. It would be not SRPable if it does not meet R&R.

[Malcolm Galora 374]

My fit does 4 compact reps then republic cap battery and shield extender, you can find some nice abyssals for more fitting. If you are doing slot 6 and 7 cap implants you should be pretty solid in terms of cap.

[Mardiorer 1]

@Charr Coal The R&R says on LSE "Large Shield Extender (Storyline, T2, or Faction) + Pithum C-type Hardener + Pith X-type EM Hardener" and the one in that fit is Storyline.  So I think that fit is ok there?  The Faster AB is also going to help a little in terms of tank.  But if it was really a problem you can change the fit to get the better one on, but then you can't run all modules at once (which would actually be ok by the R&R just not what I am aiming for).

I will probably keep messing with the fits till I find something even better.  But it gives me a rough goal to work towards, which for me is important.  It will be awhile before I can buy the implants, but at least I know Rapture is totally out, but Savior might be in. And that is what I am really interested in here.

[Rainz 66]

As an FC, I can tell you I do not want ANY fit where I need to start checking up on the implants in peoples heads!

We need the implant for the booster - fine - we can easily tell when this is missing from the boost amounts.

How do we tell an implant is missing form a logis head - instantly making that logi a lot less viable.

Its painful enough having to check people abyssals, but having to confirm implants in peoples head is just extra not needed work.

I like the idea - but the policing of an implant set makes it a hard no from me.

[Mardiorer 1]

11 minutes ago, Rainz said:

How do we tell an implant is missing form a logis head - instantly making that logi a lot less viable.

This I get in part.  But also how is this much different from skills?  You don't check them, but they make a huge difference on the effectiveness, you just trust the logi that they are what we say they are.  Not trying to argue, just trying to understand.

[Rainz 66]

1 minute ago, Mardiorer said:

This I get in part.  But also how is this much different from skills?  You don't check them, but they make a huge difference on the effectiveness, you just trust the logi that they are what we say they are.  Not trying to argue, just trying to understand.

 

Generally with the ships - if you can fit the item and use it - you have the required skills.  There are some ships (marauders/T3) that we do require specific skills for - but these ships require you to submit to a skill check before you are authorised to fly them.

 As for LC level, there is a lvl4 fit Scimi so that's OK.  Xing up with a basi while being lvl4 also becomes obvious when the Basi pilot is either continually not repping (this does get checked regularly while on a fleet), or broadcasting for cap (basis shouldn't need cap unless they have the Outuni).

People Xing up in different fits than they are flying also gets picked up regularly via ship scanning - and is a bannable offence I might add!

Implant sets however are very hard to / impossible to police.  They are also very easy to forget (hell, I forgot my booster implant yesterday in nikkis fleet!)

Like I say, I do like the idea - and the fit as far as I can see right now would work.  However requiring implants for it to work is just a no no.

Saying that - as @Charr Coal mentioned - once you get to L badge you can X up with it, and its up to the FC what he does with it.

 

 

[Malcolm Galora 374]

7 hours ago, Rainz said:

As an FC, I can tell you I do not want ANY fit where I need to start checking up on the implants in peoples heads!

Long ago (in a galaxy not so far away), geno clones used to be way more common. Often someone might be a little light on ehp or maybe their fit looked funky. All you needed to ask was hey do you got implants or something? And they would go yeah I got genos, and that's all it was. No verification, just take their word for it, we already basically take peoples word for when they give us their logi level. We used to even have a 'advanced' mach fit that required genos and a fitting implant lol. all it gave you was a tracking enhancer instead of the RCU.