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"Its know fact that among faction ones, ogres are best heavy drones for incursions."

If we exclude geckos. and maybe subjugated mediums.

But questions like are they? when? how much so? buggered me for a while.

I'll give you data.

Total damage done:

+--------------------------+----------+
| Weapon                   | sum(Dmg) |
+--------------------------+----------+
| Republic Fleet Berserker |  3742296 |
| Imperial Navy Praetor    |  4041019 |
| Caldari Navy Wasp        |  4214487 |
| Federation Navy Ogre     |  4416467 |
+--------------------------+----------+

Damage to rats:

+--------------------------+----------+
| Weapon                   | sum(Dmg) |
+--------------------------+----------+
| Republic Fleet Berserker |  1043728 |
| Federation Navy Ogre     |  1103895 |
| Caldari Navy Wasp        |  1108550 |
| Imperial Navy Praetor    |  1111401 |
+--------------------------+----------+

Damage to towers:

+--------------------------+----------+
| Weapon                   | sum(Dmg) |
+--------------------------+----------+
| Republic Fleet Berserker |  2698568 |
| Imperial Navy Praetor    |  2929618 |
| Caldari Navy Wasp        |  3105937 |
| Federation Navy Ogre     |  3312572 |
+--------------------------+----------+

Damage details:

+--------------------------------+--------------------------+----------+
| Target                         | Weapon                   | sum(Dmg) |
+--------------------------------+--------------------------+----------+
| Antem Neo                      | Republic Fleet Berserker |     7126 |
| Antem Neo                      | Federation Navy Ogre     |     7762 |
| Antem Neo                      | Caldari Navy Wasp        |     8308 |
| Antem Neo                      | Imperial Navy Praetor    |     8699 |
| Arnon Epithalamus              | Federation Navy Ogre     |     3284 |
| Arnon Epithalamus              | Republic Fleet Berserker |     3443 |
| Arnon Epithalamus              | Imperial Navy Praetor    |     3672 |
| Arnon Epithalamus              | Caldari Navy Wasp        |     3778 |
| Auga Hypophysis                | Federation Navy Ogre     |     1268 |
| Auga Hypophysis                | Caldari Navy Wasp        |     1812 |
| Auga Hypophysis                | Imperial Navy Praetor    |     2191 |
| Auga Hypophysis                | Republic Fleet Berserker |     2198 |
| Citizen Astur                  | Republic Fleet Berserker |      309 |
| Citizen Astur                  | Imperial Navy Praetor    |      391 |
| Citizen Astur                  | Caldari Navy Wasp        |      455 |
| Citizen Astur                  | Federation Navy Ogre     |      491 |
| Deltole Tegmentum              | Federation Navy Ogre     |    32659 |
| Deltole Tegmentum              | Republic Fleet Berserker |    32967 |
| Deltole Tegmentum              | Imperial Navy Praetor    |    33575 |
| Deltole Tegmentum              | Caldari Navy Wasp        |    34454 |
| Eystur Rhomben                 | Federation Navy Ogre     |      277 |
| Eystur Rhomben                 | Imperial Navy Praetor    |      571 |
| Eystur Rhomben                 | Republic Fleet Berserker |      726 |
| Eystur Rhomben                 | Caldari Navy Wasp        |      748 |
| Intaki Colliculus              | Republic Fleet Berserker |    28355 |
| Intaki Colliculus              | Imperial Navy Praetor    |    31244 |
| Intaki Colliculus              | Caldari Navy Wasp        |    32569 |
| Intaki Colliculus              | Federation Navy Ogre     |    35594 |
| Mara Paleo                     | Federation Navy Ogre     |     1894 |
| Mara Paleo                     | Caldari Navy Wasp        |     1953 |
| Mara Paleo                     | Republic Fleet Berserker |     2042 |
| Mara Paleo                     | Imperial Navy Praetor    |     2049 |
| Niarja Myelen                  | Federation Navy Ogre     |      244 |
| Niarja Myelen                  | Republic Fleet Berserker |      511 |
| Niarja Myelen                  | Caldari Navy Wasp        |      554 |
| Niarja Myelen                  | Imperial Navy Praetor    |      679 |
| Ostingele Tectum               | Republic Fleet Berserker |   320781 |
| Ostingele Tectum               | Caldari Navy Wasp        |   338394 |
| Ostingele Tectum               | Imperial Navy Praetor    |   340332 |
| Ostingele Tectum               | Federation Navy Ogre     |   345494 |
| Outuni Mesen                   | Republic Fleet Berserker |    72915 |
| Outuni Mesen                   | Caldari Navy Wasp        |    77170 |
| Outuni Mesen                   | Imperial Navy Praetor    |    79985 |
| Outuni Mesen                   | Federation Navy Ogre     |    80009 |
| Renyn Meten                    | Caldari Navy Wasp        |      439 |
| Renyn Meten                    | Imperial Navy Praetor    |      566 |
| Renyn Meten                    | Federation Navy Ogre     |      812 |
| Renyn Meten                    | Republic Fleet Berserker |     1040 |
| Romi Thalamus                  | Federation Navy Ogre     |   400406 |
| Romi Thalamus                  | Republic Fleet Berserker |   407222 |
| Romi Thalamus                  | Caldari Navy Wasp        |   417722 |
| Romi Thalamus                  | Imperial Navy Praetor    |   421970 |
| Sansha Battletower             | Republic Fleet Berserker |   545896 |
| Sansha Battletower             | Imperial Navy Praetor    |   587441 |
| Sansha Battletower             | Caldari Navy Wasp        |   626089 |
| Sansha Battletower             | Federation Navy Ogre     |   666370 |
| Schmaeel Medulla               | Federation Navy Ogre     |     2795 |
| Schmaeel Medulla               | Republic Fleet Berserker |     3339 |
| Schmaeel Medulla               | Caldari Navy Wasp        |     3583 |
| Schmaeel Medulla               | Imperial Navy Praetor    |     3977 |
| Slave 32152                    | Imperial Navy Praetor    |      645 |
| Slave 32152                    | Republic Fleet Berserker |      689 |
| Slave 32152                    | Caldari Navy Wasp        |      718 |
| Slave 32152                    | Federation Navy Ogre     |      792 |
| Slave Endoma01                 | Republic Fleet Berserker |     1156 |
| Slave Endoma01                 | Caldari Navy Wasp        |     1211 |
| Slave Endoma01                 | Imperial Navy Praetor    |     1414 |
| Slave Endoma01                 | Federation Navy Ogre     |     1492 |
| Slave Heavenbound02            | Imperial Navy Praetor    |     1794 |
| Slave Heavenbound02            | Republic Fleet Berserker |     1881 |
| Slave Heavenbound02            | Federation Navy Ogre     |     2004 |
| Slave Heavenbound02            | Caldari Navy Wasp        |     2188 |
| Slave Tama01                   | Republic Fleet Berserker |     1341 |
| Slave Tama01                   | Imperial Navy Praetor    |     1350 |
| Slave Tama01                   | Caldari Navy Wasp        |     1432 |
| Slave Tama01                   | Federation Navy Ogre     |     1849 |
| Tama Cerebellum                | Republic Fleet Berserker |     6675 |
| Tama Cerebellum                | Federation Navy Ogre     |     6792 |
| Tama Cerebellum                | Caldari Navy Wasp        |     8376 |
| Tama Cerebellum                | Imperial Navy Praetor    |     8807 |
| True Power Mobile Headquarters | Republic Fleet Berserker |  2152672 |
| True Power Mobile Headquarters | Imperial Navy Praetor    |  2342177 |
| True Power Mobile Headquarters | Caldari Navy Wasp        |  2479848 |
| True Power Mobile Headquarters | Federation Navy Ogre     |  2646202 |
| Uitra Telen                    | Republic Fleet Berserker |    23364 |
| Uitra Telen                    | Federation Navy Ogre     |    24986 |
| Uitra Telen                    | Caldari Navy Wasp        |    25302 |
| Uitra Telen                    | Imperial Navy Praetor    |    26146 |
| Vylade Dien                    | Republic Fleet Berserker |   109865 |
| Vylade Dien                    | Imperial Navy Praetor    |   121244 |
| Vylade Dien                    | Caldari Navy Wasp        |   127607 |
| Vylade Dien                    | Federation Navy Ogre     |   133699 |
| Yulai Crus Cerebi              | Republic Fleet Berserker |    15783 |
| Yulai Crus Cerebi              | Federation Navy Ogre     |    19292 |
| Yulai Crus Cerebi              | Caldari Navy Wasp        |    19777 |
| Yulai Crus Cerebi              | Imperial Navy Praetor    |    20100 |
+--------------------------------+--------------------------+----------+

Drones were flown always in pack of 4, one of each. Assigned to HHH,VVV or manually to same target, in case of drone aggro or death, all were recalled until dead had been replaced. If some droned were overflow, all 4 were reassigned (to VVV or manually). Errors were made, like every pilot make, but I took care for there not to be much.

Just to note, total damage cannot be equaled to site times, because almost everything apply worse on rats then tower, and thus rats damage influence time a little more. But how much so, is beyound this research.

If anyone wants to expand or verify this on other drones, PM me for the code. Its done in Perl+grep+MySQL, very simple.

Also I think there is still not enough raw data for faction heavies research to be reliable. Database now contains 108450 connected shots, but just a several days ago Wasps were leading in rat damage.

Edited by Charr Coal
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5 hours ago, niki lasvegas said:

Looks like Ogre won :P

Which didn't surprise me, but no one before could give hard numbers. Also curious that 3 of 4 have almost identical damage to rats, and thus raw damage gave Wasps closest 2nd place. What did surprise me was how bad Berserkers performed. Even though all-4 Berserkers we could recall later due to fact they return faster, the applied damage gap is to huge, even on rats.

 

1 hour ago, topandbottomallover fsdsgf said:

Are you going to upgrade to a Mach soon ? you can use 4 Ogre as well then !

It goes beyond this research :) But I had something with even bigger bay in my mind for a while, believe leaked that few times. Developments in Jita postponed it, development here may cancel it, one way or another we'll see.

Edited by Charr Coal

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Hey, Charr Coal. Interesting post! Could you share your experimental methods?  I've been flying a Vindi and currently have 5 'Augmented' Ogres, but am curious how they stack up against 2x Geckos + 2x 'Augmented' Hammerheads + 1x 'Augmented' Hobgoblin. 

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I tried to write it in detail but it becomes a LOT of text.

In the core of it, its collecting right logs and parsing them into SQL database. When they are in database, we can analyze them in a lot of ways we want, with 1 line commands.

1. To collecting right logs, and you need to use drones in same conditions. Heavies and lights are sadly incomparable directly because their damage "values" are incomparable and they are assigned to different bunnies.

2. Parse logs with grep:

grep 0xff00ffff * > some_file_outside_current_dir

3. Create SQL database and table in it for example like this:

CREATE TABLE `D` (
  `ID` mediumint(8) unsigned NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT,
  `DateTime` datetime NOT NULL,
  `Dmg` smallint(5) unsigned NOT NULL,
  `Target` varchar(30) NOT NULL,
  `Weapon` varchar(30) NOT NULL,
  UNIQUE KEY `ID` (`ID`) )

4. Use for example Perl script like this to parse some_file_outside_current_dir into database:

#!/usr/local/bin/perl

use DBI;
use strict;

my $db = 'DBI:mysql:yourdatabase:localhost';
my $db_user_name = 'yourlogin';
my $db_password = 'yourpass';
my $dbh = DBI->connect($db, $db_user_name, $db_password);

my $file = 'some_file_outside_current_dir';

open(FH, '<', $file) or die $!;

while(<FH>){
        ~m/\[ (.*) \].*<b>(\d*)<\/b>.*<color=0xffffffff>(.*)<\/b>.* - (.*) - .*/;
        $dbh->do('insert into D (DateTime,Dmg,Target,Weapon) values ("'.$1.'",'.$2.',"'.$3.'","'.$4.'")');
}

$dbh->disconnect();
close(FH);         

5. Use different Select statements to look at your data in peculiar ways, for example biggest table were produced with this:

select Target,Weapon,sum(Dmg) from D where (Weapon like "%Wasp" or Weapon like "%Ogre" or Weapon like "%Berserker" or Weapon like "%Praetor") group by Weapon,Target order by Target,sum(Dmg);

It all can be done under any Win/Linux/etc, I did in FreeBSD.

Does it look like what you need?

If you want you can collect logs and I probably could put them through parser, only make sure you use all in one and same way. You cannot fly 1 flight today, other tomorrow and compare, wont work that way.

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Generally I found Wasps better for the Drone-ball ( Romis & the odd Battleship ). Hence why I use them.  Maybe my skills? Who knows.

Plus Wasps have a good shield layer. Less need to broadcast them for reps then.

Edited by Brok Haslack

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Did you too measure them somehow Brok? Because on Romis Wasp really performed noticeably better then Ogre, while on battleships results were mixed (possibly need more statistics on battleships).

Skillwise it probably would be right to add, all log collecting had been done with drone navigation and sharpshooting skills at 5, which may have benefited ogres a bit more then others.

Interesting notion about shield layer. Its definitely plus for these ship that operate further from their drones.

Edited by Charr Coal

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