"www" and "nnn" in WTM-Basi

[William Sayeth 2]

Hello fellow logi

I would like to question our use of the "www/-www" and "nnn/-nnn" notations in basi chat. I don't see their usefulness, and would like to have it explained to me if I am missing something. If i am not, I think they should both be removed from use.

WWW first. While being webbed of course increases the danger, noticing that someone is webbed has very little impact on counter-actions. A logi with aggro already should get attention from other logis, and repairs should be applied. As another logi I don't respond differently to "this basi has full room!" and "this basi has full room and is webbed!". And as the targeted pilot I'd much rather make sure I have my broadcast(s) in order and some transversal up, and get on considering if I want to heat invul, than take my eyes off centerscreen and add information that doesn't change the responce. Arguably webs are even more dangerous to scimitars, but they don't call them out, and they don't see basichat to assist the webbed basi. FC doesn't see it either, so you'll still get called out for having your prop mod off either way.

NNN then. When someone calls out that they are being neuted, I have no idea how to respond. Do they need cap? Are they typing "nnn" instead of broadcasting for cap? Do they have the outuni? Or are they just seeing the icon and typing it out of habit or because they have to? If there's not also a cap broadcast to go with, and it's a pilot I know has flown before, I assume that they are fine on cap. But if it's someone I havent flown with, well, they might be completely dry and the capchain might be in danger. It's unlikely, but I can't know for certain and having this commando at all adds unnecessary confusion in my opinion. I would like to have a binary broadcast or no broadcast, in addition to s and -s, and that's it. Get rid of the guessing. Often if you're being neuted by something that's not an outuni and you've got nothing to repair you've more spare cap than when your reppers are running. When this happens to me, I don't see any reason to call out to other basis who already have enough to manage that they need to start figuring out if i am sitting on 97% cap with a frig on me, or if the whole fleet is in danger.

Both of these also add an unwanted moment when you are losing aggro. When this happens I want to broadcast 'in position' and then directly get on repairing who got the aggro instead rather than having to keep in mind if I have remembered to add information to basichat that was really already provided by my broadcast. 

Already without these, flying the basi has higher requirements in terms of player effort than flying a scimitar, and I'd like to spend less time typing. Thoughts?

(It's not in question that calling out who you are combat capping and that you are jammed is necessary, as well as cap stability checks of course.)

[Davionious 27]

+1 for less typing more flying - 

SSS and -SSS for stability checks is about the only thing worth putting in Basi chat post your logi level and Number of Sebos on joining. 

[niki lasvegas 537]

Honestly Mr. William speaks some truth. Kinda sorta agree with him. Need to think about this a bit more.

[Izumi Uchiya MD 214]

I'm down with the death of WWW. You can see webs in space and on the overview, and only half of the logi are in basi chat. These largely only matter in the TCRC, when you should watch any logi aggro regardless.

Similarly, it's much easier to send cap to a neut target when they have a broadcast you can lock. This would favor just having a NNN'd basi broadcast instead of using the chat. On the other hand, it makes fleet nervous when the cap chain broadcasts for cap. Perhaps a Basi took the Deltole aggro but not Outunis for instance and just needs a little boost. We try to keep as much cap chain business isolated in the Basi chat so that basi pilots remember to pay attention to it, and fleet does not have to worry about it. You'll also need to consider what should happen with capping around a JJJ. I'm open to the idea, would like to hear opinions.

 

More than anything, I think WWW and NNN help our newbie logi pilots, who are trying to learn to juggle difficult tasks, and the letters give a quick easy way to say "help, my best efforts are being undermined" and get experienced logi to assist.

Edited August 16, 2019 by Izumi Uchiya MD

[niki lasvegas 537]

1 hour ago, Izumi Uchiya MD said:

More than anything, I think WWW and NNN help our newbie logi pilots, who are trying to learn to juggle difficult tasks, and the letters give a quick easy way to say "help, my best efforts are being undermined" and get experienced logi to assist.

Works both ways imo. Can be even more overwhelming to keep with everything plus this up, essentially just giving more work  for newbros who are already full with tasks.