Brok Haslack

Scimi fits. For Logi 4. Cheap fits too.

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Hey all, just a few ideas to share. They've passed muster in fleet, so just to list for people.

We don't do LSE's on Scimis because Scimis are speed and sig tanked.  So the challenge is to get more ehp in, without slowing the Scimi down or increasing it's signature.  It also has to be stable on 3 reppers plus tank & prop-module running.  It's an interesting challenge.

The WTM beginner Logi 4 Scimi has 2100 shield layer with good skills. 16200 ehp.  It's 330m estimated.

The following fit has, with good cap skills:  2450 shield layer, 17600 ehp.
 

[Scimitar, Cheap Date - Entry]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

10MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Light Hull Maintenance Bot I x4
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x5

Nanite Repair Paste x500

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300m estimated, and a bit more tank.  Only works with good Cap skills, but she is very cheap & lasts a bit longer.

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This next one is 400m ISK, but pushes the design further:

Stable on 3, 2200 shield layer, and I have got a single Link in.  For Logi 4 that's useful to fleet.
 

[Scimitar, Cheap Date - Normal]
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System
Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System

10MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II
Remote Tracking Computer II

Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Light Hull Maintenance Bot I x4
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x5

Tracking Speed Script x1
Nanite Repair Paste x500
Optimal Range Script x1

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The good thing about this fit is that you can lose the link for a Damage Control, which means that you can fit for influence.

 

[Scimitar, Cheap Date - Influence/LM]
Damage Control II
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System
Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System

10MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Light Hull Maintenance Bot I x4
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x5

Tracking Speed Script x1
Nanite Repair Paste x500
Optimal Range Script x1

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A Scimi that can fit for influence may well help you if you are new to Logi.

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Implants?


To compliment the above 2 fits I run a 605 Navigation implant and a Zor's Custom Hyper-link. An extra ~11% in speed.  For a ship that speed tanks that is pretty handy.  It helps the ship last, even when webbed.

 

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The bling fit is thus:

 

[Scimitar, Shiny Scimi Logi 4]
Damage Control II
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System
Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System

10MN Afterburner II
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II

Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Light Hull Maintenance Bot I x4
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x5

Nanite Repair Paste x500

 

760m ISK.  Insure her with the SRP, but she is very tanky for a Scimi. Lose the link for another T2 Invuln for Influence.  Not really needed in my opinion, but if you want a Damage Control all the time you need to spend some ISK.

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Just some fun for people to play with.
 

Brok.

 

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This one is like the WTM Basi mini, but you can lock 12:

 

[Scimitar, BigLocker]
Signal Amplifier II
Dark Blood Power Diagnostic System
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay

10MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Dark Blood Cap Recharger
Dark Blood Cap Recharger

Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

Light Hull Maintenance Bot I x4
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x5

Tracking Speed Script x1
Nanite Repair Paste x500
Optimal Range Script x1

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Posted (edited)

Your scimi fits work and meet the rules but they doesn't share the same rigs as the lv5 optimal so in the long run it will end up costing you that's the reason we run the scimi the way we do so it can have an upgrade path to the lv5 scimis with the links later down the road. i am at work and cant really look at the basi fit.

Edited by Sparta

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Logi 4 to Logi 5 is a month. Changing 1 rig in a month shouldn't be a back-breaker.

 

That was my thinking anyway. Plus, 1 linky :)

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All I'm doing is sharing the tricks I learned out in Null. Up to you if you want it taken down or not, obviously :)

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Just thinking about your point Sparta.

As a regular flyer myself ( as I can't do Caps in Null at present ) I would expect myself to be urged to upgrade etc. Even as Logi 4 I'd swallow the rig change cost for 'Logi 4 to 5' Scimi to get that link in, simply because I don't want to sand-bag.

Others on the Fleet Efficiency thread are also mentioning encouraging regular flyers to oomph it up a bit.

It might well be a different rule for the regulars compared to the occasionals.

With Ditanian walking all over us at present we need a counter.  I emptied the piggy bank to get a Leshak, but 1 more Leshak is not enough when they have a dozen or so propped up by Nestors.

Yeah, we need to come up with something.  Anyway, you're the boss so do what you need to.

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Everything on the Scimi is tradeoffs. Enough cap, enough PG, adding more tank or utility. The Dual CCC fits work fine, though you're fairly dependent on PDS's. Tougher to get a DCU or Sigamp on but doable. Any of those you posted work, although in general I like the CCC+ACR fits better myself.

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Posted (edited)
On 17/08/2019 at 5:55 PM, Izumi Uchiya MD said:

Everything on the Scimi is tradeoffs. Enough cap, enough PG, adding more tank or utility. The Dual CCC fits work fine, though you're fairly dependent on PDS's. Tougher to get a DCU or Sigamp on but doable. Any of those you posted work, although in general I like the CCC+ACR fits better myself.

Apologies, missed your reply there. 

This. Trade-offs.

My thinking is that a Scimi who can hold 4 reps for a bit less time, because they have gone for tank, can survive. Where-as a dead scimi in a TCRC holds zero reps.

If I'm wrong then fair enough.

Edited by Brok Haslack

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Just to say I am now Logi 5, so have upgraded my Scimi to this one.

 

[Scimitar, Cheap Date - Logi 5]
Damage Control II
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay

Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Remote Tracking Computer II
Remote Tracking Computer II

Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Light Hull Maintenance Bot I x4
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x5

Tracking Speed Script x2
Nanite Repair Paste x500
Optimal Range Script x2


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Says 450m on the estimate.  The upgrade was not back-breaking, and I have a Damage Control. If you have better Afterburner Skills than myself you may well be able to get the cost down further :)

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Congrats on the upgrade. Some good mods on that thing.

Just wanted to point out, though, that 2x Invul II *and* a DCU is actually over tanked for a scimi. You can either drop one invul for a third link (if you'll still be cap stable with it running), or you can trade the DCU for a SigAmp. Faction sig amps are cheap and can get you up to 2 more locks (if you have Adv Target Management 4 or 5) and also improve your lock speed. 

Faction Tracking Computers (Shadow Serpentis in particular, I think) were also pretty cheap last I looked (which, admittedly, was before the null blackout). They improve your cap stability even further, as they take less cap to operate than the T2's and also work better besides.

 

Keep up the good work. We love our logi!

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13 hours ago, Brok Haslack said:

If you have better Afterburner Skills than myself you may well be able to get the cost down further

If you mean the AB, a big problem is actually power grid. Even with maximum skills, you need an upgraded afterburner, a power diagnostic system, altered rigs, or power grid implants to make it fit. The fed navy AB is a good solution for this. If you mean cap, you can fit a 4th cap power relay, which potentially will let you downgrade the faction ones for less expensive t2. also check the level of your shield emissions skill, which is immensely important for all logistic ships.

I would not say that a scimitar is ever excessively tanked in WTM. I personally dislike the three link fit with a single t2 invulnerability field, regardless of the damage control. You can swap the damage control for the cap power relay or for signal amplifier as recommended by flame, or keep it, whichever you prefer.

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