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I was wondering if this fit is ok (not for fun fleet on 25th but for normals ops)

[Praxis, Incursion]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Reactor Control Unit II
Damage Control II

500MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Tracking Computer II

1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I
Heavy Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I

Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I

Imperial Navy Acolyte x5
Imperial Navy Infiltrator x5
Imperial Navy Praetor x5

Tracking Speed Script x1
Republic Fleet EMP L x2120
Optimal Range Script x1

With my current skills it has 101k ehp, 650 dps and 78/68 em/therm resists. 20k raw shield hp, goes 700m/s and cap that lasts 12 min. With perfect skills it has 738 dps, 110k ehp, 742m/s, and cap that lasts 16min and 20 seconds. It can also use blasters etc but I'm using EMP ammo here, which applies better with the sanshas rats. 

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When Praxis was released WTM commanders thought about implementing it, or not.

The debate ended with a negatory.

Im sorry, but WTM does not allow Praxis in its fleets.

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There is no sense to accept Praxis. With Blaster fit Hyperion doing 300 DPS more. With Arty fit Maelstrom doing 200 DPS more. Both of them are enought cheap to start your adventure with WTM Family.

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Also 1) Your thermal resist is too low by far lol 2% is a lot. 2) Incursion rats are omnitanked. Normal sansha have a resist hole but incursion rats don't. 

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So I got my start in incursions running in a Praxis with the EVE Uni Vanguard group and I fell in love with the ship. When TDF announced their Praxis fit I went and flew a Praxis with them for a week and played with fits until they figured out that I wasn't really particularly new and a Praxis probably shouldn't have an X-type MWD or TII guns on it and told me to fuck off and buy a Nightmare. I flew a pretty stupid praxis on the fun fleet a few months ago with WTM as well, so I'm one of only a few pilots to fly this hull with a WTM fleet.

Suffice to say I've done quite a bit of theorycrafting on this ship. me and the Praxis have a bit of a love affair and I've probably flown one in more incursion sites than about anyone else in new eden.

On to the point of this post... The blaster hyperion does not do 300 DPS more as was stated above by Naveth.

I have a shield & blaster Praxis fit that has better tank, very slightly better cap stability, identical tracking, and better dps than the entry hyperion with gallente battleship at lvl 4, for 70 million less than the entry hyperion.

Dissadvantages are that it is 300m/s slower, the fit is tighter on CPU, and a larger % of the dps is from drones. (Whether the drone DPS ratio is really a negative isn't something I'm completely sure about but it's at least worth noting)

The obvious additional advantage though is the lack of required battleship skills, which is especially noteworthy given that WTM does not require a battleship skill to 4 and most hyperion pilots likely have this skill at 3 or lower.

 

The Praxis fit and the current Entry Hyperion fit for comparison:

[Praxis, Wannabe Hyperion]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

500MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery

Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Heavy Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu

Large Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I


Federation Navy Hammerhead x2
Federation Navy Ogre x3

 

[Hyperion, Hyperion Entry/Alpha]

Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
500MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive

Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Heavy Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu

Large Hybrid Discharge Elutriation I
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I


Federation Navy Ogre x5

 

So the tank is a bit hamfisted sure, but it works. Like I said, the praxis is a shield ship and you can do a lot with 7 midslots.

The CPU is pretty tight as well for a new player, but the nos isn't really very useful on either ship so it should be fine to pull that off.

With Maxed out skills this Praxis pulls 1247 DPS

The Hyperion with Gallente battleship to 4 and otherwise maxed skills gets 1196.

With all 5 skills the Hyperion hits 1261, only 16 DPS higher than this Praxis.

 

As for shields...

This Praxis gets 105k ehp, 71.1k in shields. Min resist 72.8. Average Resist 72.8.

The entry hype has 98.8k ehp. 54.9k in shields. Min resist 70.0. Average resist 73.65.

 

Without the 2nd LSE it still hits 90k ehp. 55.3k in shields. It's quite a bit less hull buffer than we might like but the shield ehp is actually still fine at that level so it shouldn't feel squishy to the logi. (and if it blows up who cares it costs 135 mil)

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On 5/18/2019 at 2:49 AM, niki lasvegas said:

When Praxis was released WTM commanders thought about implementing it, or not.

The debate ended with a negatory.

Im sorry, but WTM does not allow Praxis in its fleets.

 

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I'm well aware of that and I'm not trying to be critical of management's decision to not allow the ship. I just found this thread and realised I have a fit that challenges the assertion made above that the praxis puts out less dps than T1 WTM fits.

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Hi, new here and i was hoping to bring a Praxis which is why i found this thread. 

Not arguing at all, i'm sure there are reasons it's not allowed. i just love this ship and wanted to point out it's strengths. Check this fit, it has better dps, better shields, and more utility (web) than the standard Domi fit with only slightly lower cap and speed...and at half the cost:

 

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[Praxis, *Praxis 1k]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II

500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Heavy Karelin Scoped Stasis Grappler
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I

Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I

Federation Navy Ogre x4
'Integrated' Ogre x5
Tracking Speed Script x1
Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L x1440

 

 

Also just for fun :)

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(i have T2 Cruise, but still Alpha atm)

[Praxis, Praxlesnake]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Drone Navigation Computer I
500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
AML Compact Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Large Shield Extender II

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit II
Large Core Defense Field Extender I

Federation Navy Ogre x9


Tracking Speed Script x1
Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile x6000

 

 

 

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 guess i can't edit, wanted to also add you can add a torp to the blaster fit for a little more dps, its stable without the MWD on

 

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Number of things really but one of the things I might point out on comparing those fits. The PDS on the domi is not required but is allowed if you have fitting problems if you dont have fitting problems it can be turned into a MagStab. Next is the raw ehp it may have bigger shield HP than the domi but it has less tank overall. Next its slower like hell of a lot slower than the other ships its supposed to keep up with and would have trouble getting into web range as well. Another is torps/missiles in general arent exactly good for incursions. Next is 'Integrated' Drones are out since they are worse than T1s in dmg since the enemies are omni tanked there is no need to concern with damage types.

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