Doctorr TNT 0 Posted May 18, 2019 I was wondering if this fit is ok (not for fun fleet on 25th but for normals ops) [Praxis, Incursion] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Reactor Control Unit II Damage Control II 500MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier Tracking Computer II 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I Heavy Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Imperial Navy Acolyte x5 Imperial Navy Infiltrator x5 Imperial Navy Praetor x5 Tracking Speed Script x1 Republic Fleet EMP L x2120 Optimal Range Script x1 With my current skills it has 101k ehp, 650 dps and 78/68 em/therm resists. 20k raw shield hp, goes 700m/s and cap that lasts 12 min. With perfect skills it has 738 dps, 110k ehp, 742m/s, and cap that lasts 16min and 20 seconds. It can also use blasters etc but I'm using EMP ammo here, which applies better with the sanshas rats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
niki lasvegas 304 Posted May 18, 2019 When Praxis was released WTM commanders thought about implementing it, or not. The debate ended with a negatory. Im sorry, but WTM does not allow Praxis in its fleets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nazeth 1 Posted May 21, 2019 There is no sense to accept Praxis. With Blaster fit Hyperion doing 300 DPS more. With Arty fit Maelstrom doing 200 DPS more. Both of them are enought cheap to start your adventure with WTM Family. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ikazis Muvila 3 Posted May 22, 2019 Also 1) Your thermal resist is too low by far lol 2% is a lot. 2) Incursion rats are omnitanked. Normal sansha have a resist hole but incursion rats don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightsong the Bold 1 Posted September 27, 2019 So I got my start in incursions running in a Praxis with the EVE Uni Vanguard group and I fell in love with the ship. When TDF announced their Praxis fit I went and flew a Praxis with them for a week and played with fits until they figured out that I wasn't really particularly new and a Praxis probably shouldn't have an X-type MWD or TII guns on it and told me to fuck off and buy a Nightmare. I flew a pretty stupid praxis on the fun fleet a few months ago with WTM as well, so I'm one of only a few pilots to fly this hull with a WTM fleet. Suffice to say I've done quite a bit of theorycrafting on this ship. me and the Praxis have a bit of a love affair and I've probably flown one in more incursion sites than about anyone else in new eden. On to the point of this post... The blaster hyperion does not do 300 DPS more as was stated above by Naveth. I have a shield & blaster Praxis fit that has better tank, very slightly better cap stability, identical tracking, and better dps than the entry hyperion with gallente battleship at lvl 4, for 70 million less than the entry hyperion. Dissadvantages are that it is 300m/s slower, the fit is tighter on CPU, and a larger % of the dps is from drones. (Whether the drone DPS ratio is really a negative isn't something I'm completely sure about but it's at least worth noting) The obvious additional advantage though is the lack of required battleship skills, which is especially noteworthy given that WTM does not require a battleship skill to 4 and most hyperion pilots likely have this skill at 3 or lower. The Praxis fit and the current Entry Hyperion fit for comparison: [Praxis, Wannabe Hyperion] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Drone Damage Amplifier II Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II 500MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Heavy Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu Large Hybrid Burst Aerator II Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Federation Navy Hammerhead x2 Federation Navy Ogre x3 [Hyperion, Hyperion Entry/Alpha] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier 500MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Heavy Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu Large Hybrid Discharge Elutriation I Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Federation Navy Ogre x5 So the tank is a bit hamfisted sure, but it works. Like I said, the praxis is a shield ship and you can do a lot with 7 midslots. The CPU is pretty tight as well for a new player, but the nos isn't really very useful on either ship so it should be fine to pull that off. With Maxed out skills this Praxis pulls 1247 DPS The Hyperion with Gallente battleship to 4 and otherwise maxed skills gets 1196. With all 5 skills the Hyperion hits 1261, only 16 DPS higher than this Praxis. As for shields... This Praxis gets 105k ehp, 71.1k in shields. Min resist 72.8. Average Resist 72.8. The entry hype has 98.8k ehp. 54.9k in shields. Min resist 70.0. Average resist 73.65. Without the 2nd LSE it still hits 90k ehp. 55.3k in shields. It's quite a bit less hull buffer than we might like but the shield ehp is actually still fine at that level so it shouldn't feel squishy to the logi. (and if it blows up who cares it costs 135 mil) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
niki lasvegas 304 Posted September 27, 2019 On 5/18/2019 at 2:49 AM, niki lasvegas said: When Praxis was released WTM commanders thought about implementing it, or not. The debate ended with a negatory. Im sorry, but WTM does not allow Praxis in its fleets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lightsong the Bold 1 Posted September 27, 2019 I'm well aware of that and I'm not trying to be critical of management's decision to not allow the ship. I just found this thread and realised I have a fit that challenges the assertion made above that the praxis puts out less dps than T1 WTM fits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Juan Carlos Minjita 85 Posted September 27, 2019 Please please please petition WTM Leadership to make @niki lasvegas run a Praxis fun fleet. GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT NIKI <333 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
niki lasvegas 304 Posted September 27, 2019 I am pretty sure that every single commander and linepilot would be thrilled if you would FC another Praxis Funfleet @Juan Carlos Minjita 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Teranocht 0 Posted November 24, 2020 Hi, new here and i was hoping to bring a Praxis which is why i found this thread. Not arguing at all, i'm sure there are reasons it's not allowed. i just love this ship and wanted to point out it's strengths. Check this fit, it has better dps, better shields, and more utility (web) than the standard Domi fit with only slightly lower cap and speed...and at half the cost: Spoiler [Praxis, *Praxis 1k] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II 500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Heavy Karelin Scoped Stasis Grappler Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Federation Navy Ogre x4 'Integrated' Ogre x5 Tracking Speed Script x1 Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L x1440 Also just for fun Spoiler (i have T2 Cruise, but still Alpha atm) [Praxis, Praxlesnake] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Drone Navigation Computer I 500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive AML Compact Omnidirectional Tracking Link Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Large Shield Extender II 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I Drone Link Augmentor I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Processor Overclocking Unit II Large Core Defense Field Extender I Federation Navy Ogre x9 Tracking Speed Script x1 Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile x6000 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Teranocht 0 Posted November 24, 2020 guess i can't edit, wanted to also add you can add a torp to the blaster fit for a little more dps, its stable without the MWD on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malcolm Galora 132 Posted November 24, 2020 Its very very very slow, among other things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SGador Estemarie 0 Posted November 24, 2020 Number of things really but one of the things I might point out on comparing those fits. The PDS on the domi is not required but is allowed if you have fitting problems if you dont have fitting problems it can be turned into a MagStab. Next is the raw ehp it may have bigger shield HP than the domi but it has less tank overall. Next its slower like hell of a lot slower than the other ships its supposed to keep up with and would have trouble getting into web range as well. Another is torps/missiles in general arent exactly good for incursions. Next is 'Integrated' Drones are out since they are worse than T1s in dmg since the enemies are omni tanked there is no need to concern with damage types. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Teranocht 0 Posted November 24, 2020 integrated were in there by accident, thanks for the info Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
