Hefv 0 Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) As we know Basilisk Optimal has 37 301 ehp and 84% EM-resistance [Basilisk, Basilisk Optimal] Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter 10MN Afterburner II Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amplifier Pith X-Type EM Ward Field Thukker Large Shield Extender Shadow Serpentis Remote Sensor Booster Damage Control II Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Light Armor Maintenance Bot II x5 Nanite Repair Paste x1337 Scan Resolution Script x1 That one will have 37 609 ehp, 69% Em-resistance [Basilisk, Basilisk] Syndicate Damage Control Dark Blood Reactor Control Unit Gistum A-Type 10MN Afterburner Pith X-Type EM Ward Field Shadow Serpentis Remote Sensor Booster Shadow Serpentis Remote Sensor Booster Thukker Large Shield Extender Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II 'Chivalry' Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter 'Chivalry' Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x1 Nanite Repair Paste x1000 Scan Resolution Script x1 Targeting Range Script x1 Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II x4 Large Remote Shield Booster II x2 The advantage of fit is second Remote Sensor Booster. 1st weakness is fall of Em-resistance 2nd is nonstability when all 6 high slots are on. In standart cap-chain the cap will end in 8 minutes. Sure, the fit is cap-stable when only 5 high-slots are active. Edited February 15, 2019 by Hefv Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximus EnvictoTalon 92 Posted February 15, 2019 This isn't an apples to apples compare. The idea of using 2 resebos is pretty cool but the ship has to be completely replaceable in utility by its standard version with the exception of the resebos. Same repping power, cap delta, cap transfer amount, speed, tank, sig, etc. You could make the argument for the tank but you would need to shuffle things around to fix the cap stability issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hefv 0 Posted February 15, 2019 The problem was I couldn't edit posr second time. In fact, if Basi will use 4 shield boosters +2 cap transfers then it'll need only one 'Chivalry' Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter , second have to be Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II. It'll be capstable on 31.5 % Also, there is no need in 'Chivalry' , If there is at least 2% power grid implant Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hefv 0 Posted February 15, 2019 In doubtful case of necessity of six cap transfers basi may fit 6 T2 transfers, it'll be stable at 31% Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ixex 20 Posted February 15, 2019 The biggest issue I see is that we require 70% thermal and EM resistance on basis for a reason, this fit would get eaten by anything firing lasers. Which is most sansha. Favoring EM/thermal is in the basi's interest outside of the mom, and we still lose plenty of basis to deltoles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izumi Uchiya MD 214 Posted February 16, 2019 A couple extra notes. You don't need fancy cap transfers, this fits with 2 Large Regards. That helps a bit with the cap issues, but lower-skill pilots will feel the loss of the cap from PDS. No passive EM means that if you take an Outuni neut, your EM tank is just a Damage Control and you're gonna get hammered. EHP numbers also depend on damage flavor, and in general the Basi gets hit by far more EM/Thermal than Kin/Exp; you've replaced it with more buffer and I'm guessing are using flat 25% damage. If you went with a T2 EM rig, you'd probably be better off. Lastly, I don't favor making our logi more vulnerable given the already staggering number of losses we face; I don't think the utility of another resebo is worth it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hefv 0 Posted February 16, 2019 Well, there are possibilities to increase passive tank. Sure, it'll be less relative to Optimal Basilisk Initial one has active EM Ward Field and Field Extender II in rig slot Spoiler [Basilisk, act mid + extender rig] Syndicate Damage Control Dark Blood Reactor Control Unit Gistum A-Type 10MN Afterburner Pith X-Type EM Ward Field Shadow Serpentis Remote Sensor Booster Shadow Serpentis Remote Sensor Booster Thukker Large Shield Extender Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II 'Chivalry' Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Buffer rig may be changed to Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Spoiler [Basilisk, act mid + em rig] Syndicate Damage Control Dark Blood Reactor Control Unit Gistum A-Type 10MN Afterburner Pith X-Type EM Ward Field Shadow Serpentis Remote Sensor Booster Shadow Serpentis Remote Sensor Booster Thukker Large Shield Extender Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II 'Chivalry' Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Second way is using only passive tank Spoiler [Basilisk, pass mid + em rig] Syndicate Damage Control Dark Blood Reactor Control Unit Gistum A-Type 10MN Afterburner Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amplifier Shadow Serpentis Remote Sensor Booster Shadow Serpentis Remote Sensor Booster Thukker Large Shield Extender Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II 'Chivalry' Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Spoiler [Basilisk, pass mid + extender rig] Syndicate Damage Control Dark Blood Reactor Control Unit Gistum A-Type 10MN Afterburner Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amplifier Shadow Serpentis Remote Sensor Booster Shadow Serpentis Remote Sensor Booster Thukker Large Shield Extender Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II 'Chivalry' Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Pyfa sets incursion damage as 16.2% EM, 13% ther, 35.4% kin, 35.4% exp Damage type uniform 100% Em NPC inc em res Optimal 37,3 55,4 33,1 83,9 Optimal neut 32,1 27,6 30,2 61,8 act mid + extender rig 37,6 35,8 34,9 69 act mid + extender rig neut 28 17,7 28,8 14 act mid + em rig 34,8 41,4 31,5 78,5 act mid + em rig neut 28,2 20,6 27,7 44,1 passive mid + extender rig 36 30,9 34 62,5 passive mid + em rig 33,7 35,5 30,9 73,9 T2 and 'Chivalry' have bit more distance and cap trans rate than Regards. But it's not a main poin. Sure. it's nonprofessional opinion, but most of losses are late broadcasts and oversights of logi. Yesterday we used hull bot's on battleships twice, First was huge 3rd wave in NRF, second – many broadcast in initial stage of TCRC. If there was logi ship instead, we could lose it anyway, because there is no use in fit with 74 000 ehp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izumi Uchiya MD 214 Posted February 16, 2019 The pyfa damage profile isn't weighted properly, especially for logi. At the very least, flip those numbers across the board. Probably closer to 40/30/15/15. 5 hours ago, Hefv said: f there was logi ship instead, we could lose it anyway, because there is no use in fit with 74 000 ehp I'm not exactly clear on this, I think you mean if it was a logi getting shot instead it would be dead and we don't want full brick mode logi. That may be true. Logi also have less applied damage due to their size and speed so don't forget that aspect. All in all a pretty thorough proposal. I'm still not a fan for the reasons above but that's one opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hefv 0 Posted February 16, 2019 Thanks for enhancement. Using 40/30/15/15 damage pattern, it'll be 42.7 ehp for Optimal Basi and from 36.2 to 39.5 ehp for non-Optimal in normal stage and 32.7 ehp for Optimal Basi and from 25.6 to 36.8 ehp for non-Optimal if neutralized. 2 hours ago, Izumi Uchiya said: 7 hours ago, Hefv said: If there was logi ship instead, we could lose it anyway, because there is no use in fit with 74 000 ehp I'm not exactly clear on this, I think you mean if it was a logi getting shot instead it would be dead and we don't want full brick mode logi. Exactly, sorry for tongue-tie. oh, I found a brick :-) . 79.2k ehp if normal, 58.3k ehp if neutralized Spoiler [Basilisk, brick] Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Pith X-Type EM Ward Field Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amplifier Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hefv 0 Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) On 15.02.2019 at 11:22 PM, Maximus EnvictoTalon said: This isn't an apples to apples compare. The idea of using 2 resebos is pretty cool but the ship has to be completely replaceable in utility by its standard version with the exception of the resebos. Same repping power, cap delta, cap transfer amount, speed, tank, sig, etc. You could make the argument for the tank but you would need to shuffle things around to fix the cap stability issue. Cap stability issue fixed by using T2 or Regard Cat transfers. Power grid issue needs cheap 2% power grid "squire" implant. If logi IV, then fits with EM Ward Amplifier are stable with 2 T2 cap transfers outgoing and 2 regards incoming at 84%, cap delta is 18. If logi V, then fits with EM Ward Amplifier are stable with 2 T2 cap transfers outgoing and 1 regards incoming at 25.8%, cap delta is 0.4 But signature radius increases from 110 to 115m, because of of second shield rig :-( Edited February 18, 2019 by Hefv Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
