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Alright, I don't mean to pick on anybody. I've been hearing multiple commanders harp on logi for landing in site first and overrepping since I first sat in a logi boat. So, this is common wisdom within the community. However, I believe the truth of the matter to be more nuanced. Moreover, I am offering a preemptive rebuttal to anyone who might speak out against Blobert's experiments on the grounds that it increases the chances of Scimi's getting agro. But more on that later. TLDR I concur that logi agro in the TCRC is quite dangerous. Naturally, I think we should continue to try to minimize the chances of logi drawing agro there. The danger of logi agro in the NRF is dependent on fit. The danger of logi agro in the TPPH is relatively small. Blobert has been experimenting with Basi's just giving cap in the 1st and 2nd rooms of the TPPH. This means scimis have to rep more, and are more likely to draw agro. I believe that this idea should not be discounted on the grounds that it is dangerous for Scimis. It is not. For those that don't know, I used to intentionally try to draw agro in TPPH's and NRF's in order to pull the waves: TPPH - Room 1 - Initial Agro TPPH - Room 2 Initial Agro TPPH - Room 3 Initial Agro TPPH - Room 3 - 1st Wave - Threat Generated Agro (try to pull the wave towards the DPS anchor spot) NRF - 1st Wave - Initial Agro NRF - 1st Wave - Threat Generated Agro (try to pull the wave towards the DPS anchor spot) I used to do this ALL the time flying rather standard fit T2 Basis and Scimis. Never once had a problem in either ship (and I've ran a site or two as a logi in my time with WTM). I stopped doing it, however, when I got Saviors and switched to a T2 Invuln + DCU fit (which is one of the squishiest accepted logi fits). I kissed armor the very first time I got agro in an NRF, and I've seen some significant rubber banding on subsequent occaisions. So, obviously, getting agro in an NRF IN THIS PARTICULAR FIT is less than ideal. Many other fits, especially the basi fits, fair far better. Now, having flown this squishy scimi for quite some time, I've managed to accidentally pull agro in the TPPH's on several occasions. Based upon what I've observed, I do not believe that aggro from Room 1, Room 2, Room 3-Wave 1 pose any significant threat to logi. However, there are some caveats to this statement. First, the Pith C Scimi is slightly squishier than my fit. And, perhaps more importantly, I always try to pull the waves. This means that (1) I get moving ASAP and never get caught sitting still, (2) it increases the distance between me and the rats, which likely mitigates some damage, and (3) it delays when I get webbed, which gives the logi more time to establish reps before I do. So, it's not like I've sat still in the squishiest logi ship with minimum logi to see what happens. However, based on what I have seen, I don't think it's a problem. Obviously, I'll always do what the FC tells me to do, but unless told otherwise, I'm going to start trying to pull waves in TPPH's again. And, if I ever upgrade to a stronger tank, I'll start trying to pull waves in NRF's. Finally, Blobert has been experimenting with Basi's not chaining up, and just serving cap in the first 2 rooms of a TPPH. I believe this idea to have merit, and I certainly don't think that it should be discounted on the grounds that it increases the danger to scimis (they have to rep more to compensate). I haven't heard any one express this sentiment, but I have heard multiple commanders harp on logi about overrepping in the first 2 rooms of a TPPH because "it's dangerous". I really don't think it is.